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	<title>Comments on: Are there inalienable rights in Canada?</title>
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		<title>By: don muntean</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-11198</link>
		<dc:creator>don muntean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I find this article to be well written and well thought out, I don&#039;t agree with KC&#039;s generalizations in defense of the Charter&#039;s flaws. 

We must know that it was fashioned by a Liberal government and it needs to be revised.

I like the last part of your article:

&quot;...if we can’t change our Charter, we must at least hold our government to account especially strictly when it comes to human rights.&quot; 

That sums it up succinctly! 

Of course I&#039;m going through my own Charter abuse - just started year NINE this last Sunday.

Find out more at my protest website - that has been online - without interruption - since April 2005:

http://www.spyimplants.webs.com

Here is a protest discussion I created about the matter - this opens to page 17:

http://www.bloggingtories.ca/forums/topic1064-240.html

I have the medical evidence but I cannot find a serious lawyer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I find this article to be well written and well thought out, I don&#8217;t agree with KC&#8217;s generalizations in defense of the Charter&#8217;s flaws. </p>
<p>We must know that it was fashioned by a Liberal government and it needs to be revised.</p>
<p>I like the last part of your article:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;if we can’t change our Charter, we must at least hold our government to account especially strictly when it comes to human rights.&#8221; </p>
<p>That sums it up succinctly! </p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m going through my own Charter abuse &#8211; just started year NINE this last Sunday.</p>
<p>Find out more at my protest website &#8211; that has been online &#8211; without interruption &#8211; since April 2005:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spyimplants.webs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.spyimplants.webs.com</a></p>
<p>Here is a protest discussion I created about the matter &#8211; this opens to page 17:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloggingtories.ca/forums/topic1064-240.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggingtories.ca/forums/topic1064-240.html</a></p>
<p>I have the medical evidence but I cannot find a serious lawyer!</p>
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		<title>By: Luitpoldt Drake</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-8999</link>
		<dc:creator>Luitpoldt Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No theory is more misleading for respecting rights than to assume that enforcing them amounts to nothing more than judicial legislation against majority legislation.  This inaccurately pretends that the controlling language of rights simply drops out of the analysis, and that nothing remains but the opposing subjectivities of judges on the one side and legislatures on the other.  Dworkin has shown in detail how inaccurate this picture is, but significantly, Dworkin is routinely ignored in Canadian law schools, where a solid understanding of his position would undercut the hatred of rights essential to the entire Canadian anti-rights ideology.

If Canada can&#039;t outgrow its statist origins and learn to respect individual autonomy, then why bother pretending to try with a weakly designed and interpreted Charter?  &quot;C&#039;mon now lads, Lord Selkirk&#039;s come into the room; take your caps off and stand up straight!&quot; -- How are you ever going to graft Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and James Madison onto that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No theory is more misleading for respecting rights than to assume that enforcing them amounts to nothing more than judicial legislation against majority legislation.  This inaccurately pretends that the controlling language of rights simply drops out of the analysis, and that nothing remains but the opposing subjectivities of judges on the one side and legislatures on the other.  Dworkin has shown in detail how inaccurate this picture is, but significantly, Dworkin is routinely ignored in Canadian law schools, where a solid understanding of his position would undercut the hatred of rights essential to the entire Canadian anti-rights ideology.</p>
<p>If Canada can&#8217;t outgrow its statist origins and learn to respect individual autonomy, then why bother pretending to try with a weakly designed and interpreted Charter?  &#8220;C&#8217;mon now lads, Lord Selkirk&#8217;s come into the room; take your caps off and stand up straight!&#8221; &#8212; How are you ever going to graft Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and James Madison onto that?</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-8357</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are wrestling with the same question that has confounded liberal democratic philosophers for centuries.   You&#039;ve outlined the problem of having rights subject to majority whim but you haven&#039;t really paid much attention to the problems of full judicial supremacy either--ie decisions made by a very few that have an impact on society at large.   I&#039;m pretty big on individual liberty but even I wouldn&#039;t want to see judicial supremacy taken to its extreme.

Personally I think Canada has struck a good balance.  Without s. 1 the Charter would be a ridiculous document as few or no rights can be absolute.   I think if you went through the jurisprudence you would see a number of cases where the outcome would be simply ludicrous if the court could not resort to s. 1.   The Oakes test is a great statement of when the public interest can justifiably supercedes the private.  I don&#039;t think I could have put it better myself.

S. 33 is definitely a problem but I think it is a good safety valve to have and we&#039;ve done a good job of creating a political culture in which its use is &#039;off limits&#039;.  Also if it weren&#039;t for s. 33 we probably wouldn&#039;t have had a Charter to being with.

As for the courts making the decisions about what these words mean... well someone has to.   If not the courts who?  The person whose right is allegedly being infringed?  We can pretty well guess what they&#039;re gonna say.  The government or legislature?  What is the point of a &#039;right&#039; if the people accused of infringing it are the ones deciding if its a right? If you have a better suggestion of who should make this decision I&#039;m all ears.

At the end of the day there is no simple answer and no system is going to be perfect.  Subject to a few changes I&#039;d like to see (both in terms of interpretation and the text of the Charter itself) I think we&#039;ve struck a good balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are wrestling with the same question that has confounded liberal democratic philosophers for centuries.   You&#8217;ve outlined the problem of having rights subject to majority whim but you haven&#8217;t really paid much attention to the problems of full judicial supremacy either&#8211;ie decisions made by a very few that have an impact on society at large.   I&#8217;m pretty big on individual liberty but even I wouldn&#8217;t want to see judicial supremacy taken to its extreme.</p>
<p>Personally I think Canada has struck a good balance.  Without s. 1 the Charter would be a ridiculous document as few or no rights can be absolute.   I think if you went through the jurisprudence you would see a number of cases where the outcome would be simply ludicrous if the court could not resort to s. 1.   The Oakes test is a great statement of when the public interest can justifiably supercedes the private.  I don&#8217;t think I could have put it better myself.</p>
<p>S. 33 is definitely a problem but I think it is a good safety valve to have and we&#8217;ve done a good job of creating a political culture in which its use is &#8216;off limits&#8217;.  Also if it weren&#8217;t for s. 33 we probably wouldn&#8217;t have had a Charter to being with.</p>
<p>As for the courts making the decisions about what these words mean&#8230; well someone has to.   If not the courts who?  The person whose right is allegedly being infringed?  We can pretty well guess what they&#8217;re gonna say.  The government or legislature?  What is the point of a &#8216;right&#8217; if the people accused of infringing it are the ones deciding if its a right? If you have a better suggestion of who should make this decision I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
<p>At the end of the day there is no simple answer and no system is going to be perfect.  Subject to a few changes I&#8217;d like to see (both in terms of interpretation and the text of the Charter itself) I think we&#8217;ve struck a good balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Loopholes: Rights and Taxes &#171; Eric Grigg</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-8355</link>
		<dc:creator>Loopholes: Rights and Taxes &#171; Eric Grigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rights and&#160;Taxes  10 03 2010   I was planning on responding to this article I had read earlier, but then I read this and I began to see a theme and I asked myself: what [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In Canada you are free &#8211; to do as we tell you &#171; AirstripOne&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-8263</link>
		<dc:creator>In Canada you are free &#8211; to do as we tell you &#171; AirstripOne&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Toe</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2010/02/22/are-there-inalienable-rights-in-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-8232</link>
		<dc:creator>Toe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, nicely laid out. So if there is no &#039;remedy&#039; then the right didn&#039;t exist in the first place.

We&#039;re in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, nicely laid out. So if there is no &#8216;remedy&#8217; then the right didn&#8217;t exist in the first place.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Heslip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Heslip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as George Carlin taught us years ago &quot;you have no rights&quot;.This country is finished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as George Carlin taught us years ago &#8220;you have no rights&#8221;.This country is finished.</p>
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