Comments on: UWO Arrest: Justified Arrest or Abuse of Power?

By: nomor cantik simpati

nomor cantik simpati — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:43:36 +0000

Thankfully some bloggers can write. Thank you for this blog post!

By: ulya

ulya — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 01:32:15 +0000

I have other views on the future of Campus Police and whether they should really be called a “police” agency, but I’ll save that for another posting.

By: Police Instigated Montebello – Report Holds « Ryan Venables

Police Instigated Montebello – Report Holds « Ryan Venables — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:14:43 +0000

[...] one of my other articles, (also found here), I have the fortunate ability to break this down as a former police officer, [...]

By: Ryan Venables

Ryan Venables — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:32:47 +0000

Excited delirium in my experiences would fit well with the way that he was reacting. Although does not excuse the placement of the baton strikes. If anything it adds more to how poor of a choice it was. If the UWO Campus Police are trained at all in this type of incident, the officer would have been fully aware of the fact that somebody who is exhibiting signs of excited delirium would be pretty much immune to baton blows regardless of placement of them (only to a point though).

In that vein, it goes to show that it was an even more ineffective choice on his part.

It is very difficult to get somebody under control who really wants nothing to do with your attempts. I maintain, that there is nothing wrong with amount of force used against him, nor does the quantity of officers make a difference, it was simply the choice to use the baton.

Mike, even if he was just “high” on adrenaline, he probably wouldn’t feel anything. It is only after the “fight” is done, do most people suffer from an adrenaline dump, and that is when people often become medically distressed… regardless of whether they’re suffering from excited delirium or just the increase in adrenaline from such a confrontation.

Thanks for the comment.

By: mike

mike — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:12:00 +0000

I have watched this video a few times and wondered if excited delirium was maybe a factor as it appeared that the male was feeling no pain even with the baton hits. I realize that most of the blows were to get the male to get his hands behind his back but he put up a good fight even with two officers on top of him

By: Ryan Venables

Ryan Venables — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:24:30 +0000

I don’t think it has anything to do with being brave. It’s pretty plain to see what was going on there, nor do I think this will make me a target, if it does, well that’s unfortunate. I’m very pro-police, I just think this one act was a little over the top.

I just wrote my opinion, you and I have gone through the proper training on what is reasonable, that clearly (from the video angle) isn’t.

I also firmly believe that there was NOTHING wrong with the knee, and close fist strikes on this suspect, I only have a problem with the baton use.

By: Derick McName

Derick McName — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:48:57 +0000

Very brave of you to speak up about this, Ryan. Thanks for your perspective. I hope this doesn’t make you a target.

By: Ryan Venables

Ryan Venables — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:40:06 +0000

Not a problem. I am probably as pro-police as anybody, but when I saw this video, I instantly thought “oh no.” I understand what it is like to get caught up in the moment, especially when you are dealing with an escalated and violent suspect. But to step beyond what is “reasonable” in inexcusable.

I won’t make any comment to what should happen, but as I said in the article, I hope that something can be learned from this.

I have other views on the future of Campus Police and whether they should really be called a “police” agency, but I’ll save that for another posting.

By: Sav

Sav — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:28:25 +0000

I just wanted to thank you for your opinion. I attend the university and after watching this video and doing as much review of articles etc I was still confused as to what was “appropriate”. I needed a little more help and you provided that. So thanks.