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	<title>Comments on: Breaking news: Michael Bryant arrested</title>
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		<title>By: Feldwebel Wolfenstool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Feldwebel Wolfenstool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryant waited for only 5 seconds after the light turned green, before he assaulted Sheppard with a 4,000 lb. lethal weapon.  Kind of IMPATIENT, wouldn&#039;t you say? 5 Seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryant waited for only 5 seconds after the light turned green, before he assaulted Sheppard with a 4,000 lb. lethal weapon.  Kind of IMPATIENT, wouldn&#8217;t you say? 5 Seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Poetic Justice</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2009/09/01/breaking-news-michael-bryant-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-6677</link>
		<dc:creator>Poetic Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That video speaks volumes</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony  J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony  J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bryant has hired a public relations firm - Navigator Ltd to keep Bryant in a good light and Sheppard in a bad light and they are doing a pretty good job of it. What they can&#039;t hide and what will come out in court is this video. Video which shows that Mr. Bryant runs down Sheppard less than 15 seconds after Sheppard pulls up in front of his car and stops for a light. Many who have actually seen this video say it seems very deliberate. Bryant rams him and then tries to take off. All of this BEFORE Sheppard touches the car. Drunk, aggressive and looking for trouble? Well they say Bryant was sober but he may very well have been the other two. So while many have prejudged Mr. Sheppard and assumed the physical assault was started with him that may not be the case. Try watching this video. You might just be surprised.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bryant has hired a public relations firm &#8211; Navigator Ltd to keep Bryant in a good light and Sheppard in a bad light and they are doing a pretty good job of it. What they can&#8217;t hide and what will come out in court is this video. Video which shows that Mr. Bryant runs down Sheppard less than 15 seconds after Sheppard pulls up in front of his car and stops for a light. Many who have actually seen this video say it seems very deliberate. Bryant rams him and then tries to take off. All of this BEFORE Sheppard touches the car. Drunk, aggressive and looking for trouble? Well they say Bryant was sober but he may very well have been the other two. So while many have prejudged Mr. Sheppard and assumed the physical assault was started with him that may not be the case. Try watching this video. You might just be surprised.  </p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Gridin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Gridin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.D. Berry:
First let me point out that I have not yet formed an opinion on whether Bryant is innocent or guilty. He is innocent until proven guilty in court. I do, however, take exception to your view that &quot;the fix is in.&quot; 

To respond to some of the issues you have raised, let me say the following:
- Arraignments never happen immediately. Bryant has not even had his first court date yet! Rest assured he will be arraigned later.
- There does not need to be a bail hearing if the accused is released by the police. The police are perfectly entitled to release someone with or without conditions by requiring them to appear in court at a later date. This happens &lt;em&gt;all the time&lt;/em&gt; in Canada. See PART XVI of the Criminal Code.
- It is not typical to perform substance/alcohol testing on an individual involved in an accident (including one which involves a death). The only reason they would do this is if they have some reason to believe the person was intoxicated. For example, if there was an odour of alcohol on Bryant&#039;s breath, and he was stumbling around drunk, they might have compelled a breath sample from him. When there are no indicia of impairment, police do not normally perform breath/substance testing.
- As for the fail to remain charge, from what I&#039;ve heard, Bryant called 911. It does not actually matter that he merely left the scene. The Criminal Code offence requires him to have left the scene with the intention of avoiding criminal or civil liability. By calling 911 and reporting the incident, a person cannot be said to have been intending to escape liability.

Please do not jump to conclusions, and have some faith in our justice system. It&#039;s way too early to be speculating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.D. Berry:<br />
First let me point out that I have not yet formed an opinion on whether Bryant is innocent or guilty. He is innocent until proven guilty in court. I do, however, take exception to your view that &#8220;the fix is in.&#8221; </p>
<p>To respond to some of the issues you have raised, let me say the following:<br />
- Arraignments never happen immediately. Bryant has not even had his first court date yet! Rest assured he will be arraigned later.<br />
- There does not need to be a bail hearing if the accused is released by the police. The police are perfectly entitled to release someone with or without conditions by requiring them to appear in court at a later date. This happens <em>all the time</em> in Canada. See PART XVI of the Criminal Code.<br />
- It is not typical to perform substance/alcohol testing on an individual involved in an accident (including one which involves a death). The only reason they would do this is if they have some reason to believe the person was intoxicated. For example, if there was an odour of alcohol on Bryant&#8217;s breath, and he was stumbling around drunk, they might have compelled a breath sample from him. When there are no indicia of impairment, police do not normally perform breath/substance testing.<br />
- As for the fail to remain charge, from what I&#8217;ve heard, Bryant called 911. It does not actually matter that he merely left the scene. The Criminal Code offence requires him to have left the scene with the intention of avoiding criminal or civil liability. By calling 911 and reporting the incident, a person cannot be said to have been intending to escape liability.</p>
<p>Please do not jump to conclusions, and have some faith in our justice system. It&#8217;s way too early to be speculating.</p>
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		<title>By: P.D.Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.D.Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching for a few days the barage of PR working for this Bryant fellow it is becoming more evident that the fix is in.
    Now youhave police running around withthe story that this Sheperd fellow grabbed the car steering wheel,proof? Not substantiated /Is it there place to
 Judge?Not in our bailiwick;but yet there it isin the newspapers.There is a situation developing here that will bring on the advent of no trial possible because of all the crosstalk.
    The basic facts are;a man is dead 
    there are witnesses
   there is video
    there was no fingerprinting 
    there was no arraignment
    there was no bail hearing
    there was no substance testing
    there was no breathalizer testing
    there was no leaving the scene charges
 These are all facts for you to ponder and wonder if it were you would you have the same treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching for a few days the barage of PR working for this Bryant fellow it is becoming more evident that the fix is in.<br />
    Now youhave police running around withthe story that this Sheperd fellow grabbed the car steering wheel,proof? Not substantiated /Is it there place to<br />
 Judge?Not in our bailiwick;but yet there it isin the newspapers.There is a situation developing here that will bring on the advent of no trial possible because of all the crosstalk.<br />
    The basic facts are;a man is dead<br />
    there are witnesses<br />
   there is video<br />
    there was no fingerprinting<br />
    there was no arraignment<br />
    there was no bail hearing<br />
    there was no substance testing<br />
    there was no breathalizer testing<br />
    there was no leaving the scene charges<br />
 These are all facts for you to ponder and wonder if it were you would you have the same treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why can&#039;t I find anything like that defence above outlined online, or on any Canadian newspapers?

We got law students scooping the major press?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why can&#8217;t I find anything like that defence above outlined online, or on any Canadian newspapers?</p>
<p>We got law students scooping the major press?</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ha-Redeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Ha-Redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer:  It would be impossible for me to summarize the entire Canadian law as it relates to criminal self-defence here, nor should this be construed as legal advice.  But a starting point would be&lt;a href=&quot;http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34/20090831/en#anchorbo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; ss. 34-37 of the Criminal Code&lt;/a&gt;.

We don&#039;t know all the details about what happened, but it&#039;s unlikely that the defence could be claimed given the provocation clause (s. 26) that any assault here would be unprovoked (s. 34) or that he did not commence the assault (s. 35), but this could change as the story evolves.  I&#039;m pretty certain that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.evangelista.ca/Andrew_Evangelista.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defence counsel&lt;/a&gt; will try to make a case here first though, because there is much more case law for these provisions.

The remaining provision available to the defendant would be s. 37 (&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1995/1995rcs1-686/1995rcs1-686.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;R. v. Mcintosh&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;), because it does not require determination of who was the aggressor according to &lt;em&gt;R. v. Grandin&lt;/em&gt;, (2001)(B.C.C.A.):
&lt;blockquote&gt;37. (1) Every one is justified in using force to&lt;strong&gt; defend himself &lt;/strong&gt;or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses &lt;strong&gt;no more force than is necessary&lt;/strong&gt; to prevent the assault or the repetition of it. 
(2) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to justify the wilful infliction of any &lt;strong&gt;hurt or mischief that is excessive&lt;/strong&gt;, having regard to the nature of the assault that the force used was intended to prevent.
[emphasis added]
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are also the &lt;a href=&quot;http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_38/20090831/en#anchorbo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_38&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defence of property provisions&lt;/a&gt; that can be used, but also not likely to fly in a case like this arising out of what appears to be road rage.

A few points about distinguishing characteristics of this provision - there is no defence for a reasonably apprehended assault or objective element, so an actual assault must be taking place (&lt;em&gt;R. v. Whynot&lt;/em&gt;, (1983)(N.S.C.A.); cited in &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1990/1990rcs1-852/1990rcs1-852.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;R. v. Lavallee&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;).

The amount of force used cannot be more than necessary to prevent the assault (R. v. Mulder, (1978)(Ont.C.A.); cited in &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1996/1996rcs2-272/1996rcs2-272.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;R. v. Herbert&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;).  

As you&#039;ve probably discerned at this point, the case hinges around whether the amount of force used is &quot;excessive.&quot;  There is criminal liability under &lt;a href=&quot;http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1::bo-ga:l_II/20090831/en?page=2&amp;isPrinting=false#codese:26&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;s. 26&lt;/a&gt; if the force exceeds what is necessary, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Excessive force&lt;/strong&gt;
26. Every one who is authorized by law to use force is criminally responsible for any excess thereof according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Determination of whether this was excessive is highly fact specific, and we really don&#039;t have all the information right now.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer:  It would be impossible for me to summarize the entire Canadian law as it relates to criminal self-defence here, nor should this be construed as legal advice.  But a starting point would be<a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34/20090831/en#anchorbo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_34" rel="nofollow"> ss. 34-37 of the Criminal Code</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know all the details about what happened, but it&#8217;s unlikely that the defence could be claimed given the provocation clause (s. 26) that any assault here would be unprovoked (s. 34) or that he did not commence the assault (s. 35), but this could change as the story evolves.  I&#8217;m pretty certain that <a href="http://www.evangelista.ca/Andrew_Evangelista.htm" rel="nofollow">defence counsel</a> will try to make a case here first though, because there is much more case law for these provisions.</p>
<p>The remaining provision available to the defendant would be s. 37 (<em><a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1995/1995rcs1-686/1995rcs1-686.html" rel="nofollow">R. v. Mcintosh</a></em>), because it does not require determination of who was the aggressor according to <em>R. v. Grandin</em>, (2001)(B.C.C.A.):</p>
<blockquote><p>37. (1) Every one is justified in using force to<strong> defend himself </strong>or any one under his protection from assault, if he uses <strong>no more force than is necessary</strong> to prevent the assault or the repetition of it.<br />
(2) Nothing in this section shall be deemed to justify the wilful infliction of any <strong>hurt or mischief that is excessive</strong>, having regard to the nature of the assault that the force used was intended to prevent.<br />
[emphasis added]
</p></blockquote>
<p>There are also the <a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_38/20090831/en#anchorbo-ga:s_3_1-gb:s_38" rel="nofollow">defence of property provisions</a> that can be used, but also not likely to fly in a case like this arising out of what appears to be road rage.</p>
<p>A few points about distinguishing characteristics of this provision &#8211; there is no defence for a reasonably apprehended assault or objective element, so an actual assault must be taking place (<em>R. v. Whynot</em>, (1983)(N.S.C.A.); cited in <em><a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1990/1990rcs1-852/1990rcs1-852.html" rel="nofollow">R. v. Lavallee</a></em>).</p>
<p>The amount of force used cannot be more than necessary to prevent the assault (R. v. Mulder, (1978)(Ont.C.A.); cited in <em><a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/1996/1996rcs2-272/1996rcs2-272.html" rel="nofollow">R. v. Herbert</a></em>).  </p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve probably discerned at this point, the case hinges around whether the amount of force used is &#8220;excessive.&#8221;  There is criminal liability under <a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:s_3_1::bo-ga:l_II/20090831/en?page=2&#038;isPrinting=false#codese:26" rel="nofollow">s. 26</a> if the force exceeds what is necessary, </p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Excessive force</strong><br />
26. Every one who is authorized by law to use force is criminally responsible for any excess thereof according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess. </p></blockquote>
<p>Determination of whether this was excessive is highly fact specific, and we really don&#8217;t have all the information right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moment Sheppard dismounted his bicycle, he ceased to be a cyclist.  So Blatchford&#039;s little tale of woe about the hazards of cycling in Toronto is utterly irrelevant.

What I&#039;m more interested in is what Canadian law has to say about acceptable use of force when defending one&#039;s self or another against an assault. Tell us, Omar!

Legalities aside, I can tell you that the more I learn about what happened, the more I&#039;m convinced: if some guy on the street flipped out on me and tried to reach or climb into my car, I would have been terrified, and I would have done whatever I had to to get him off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moment Sheppard dismounted his bicycle, he ceased to be a cyclist.  So Blatchford&#8217;s little tale of woe about the hazards of cycling in Toronto is utterly irrelevant.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m more interested in is what Canadian law has to say about acceptable use of force when defending one&#8217;s self or another against an assault. Tell us, Omar!</p>
<p>Legalities aside, I can tell you that the more I learn about what happened, the more I&#8217;m convinced: if some guy on the street flipped out on me and tried to reach or climb into my car, I would have been terrified, and I would have done whatever I had to to get him off.</p>
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		<title>By: snufflo88</title>
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		<dc:creator>snufflo88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t his last gig a marketing guy for the City?

&quot;Welcome to Toronto, where we&#039;ll try not to run you over with our car.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t his last gig a marketing guy for the City?</p>
<p>&#8220;Welcome to Toronto, where we&#8217;ll try not to run you over with our car.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t see how any kind of defense can be made for this type of behavior.

Why did he speed up?  Why did he leave his car and run into a hotel?

This is the guy that ran the courts in Ontario.  Does anyone really think he&#039;s going to get fair treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t see how any kind of defense can be made for this type of behavior.</p>
<p>Why did he speed up?  Why did he leave his car and run into a hotel?</p>
<p>This is the guy that ran the courts in Ontario.  Does anyone really think he&#8217;s going to get fair treatment?</p>
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