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	<title>Comments on: Lowest Voter Turnout in Canadian History</title>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-7220</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s this about voting online?  I doubt they will ever do that.  People can screw with the results.lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s this about voting online?  I doubt they will ever do that.  People can screw with the results.lol</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3566</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Youth&quot; are the smallest demographic size... for them to single handedly drop voting in this election by this significant an amount would be pretty amazing. I have a feeling that Canadians in general just &#039;aint into democracy as they used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Youth&#8221; are the smallest demographic size&#8230; for them to single handedly drop voting in this election by this significant an amount would be pretty amazing. I have a feeling that Canadians in general just &#8216;aint into democracy as they used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ha-Redeye</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3551</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Ha-Redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that&#039;s my point though.  Voter turnout is so low that almost any riding, incumbent or otherwise, could go a different direction if everyone in the riding voted.

Yes, people might not relate fully to any one party or representative.  But at least &lt;a href=&quot;http://lawiscool.com/2007/09/19/sa-tan-sues-the-queen/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;vote Rhino&lt;/a&gt;, or something.  I could care less if people throw their votes away (figuratively), but doing nothing at all simply says people do not value their role in society. 

Devin&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/16/students-systemically-denied-the-right-to-vote/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent post&lt;/a&gt; provides important steps that government can take to try to engage the public as well.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;s my point though.  Voter turnout is so low that almost any riding, incumbent or otherwise, could go a different direction if everyone in the riding voted.</p>
<p>Yes, people might not relate fully to any one party or representative.  But at least <a href="http://lawiscool.com/2007/09/19/sa-tan-sues-the-queen/" rel="nofollow">vote Rhino</a>, or something.  I could care less if people throw their votes away (figuratively), but doing nothing at all simply says people do not value their role in society. </p>
<p>Devin&#8217;s <a href="http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/16/students-systemically-denied-the-right-to-vote/" rel="nofollow">recent post</a> provides important steps that government can take to try to engage the public as well.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proportional representation will have to happen over the dead bodies of myself and millions of other Canadians who arent willing to hand the power to make &quot;lists&quot; of people who are guaranteed a seat to party hacks.  Maybe some sort of compromise like what was proposed in Ontario during the last election could but straight PR removes local representation and accountability for list candidates.

Most of the blame for low turnout belongs with the voters themselves.  If you couldnt at least find one of the leaders (or a local candidate) to support then you are too stubbornly committed to your own point of view that you don&#039;t realize you cant have everything you want in politics.  Even if your local candidate didnt stand a chance you could go out and register your dissent.

My experience has been that most people who dont vote either dont care about politics (possible because its &quot;uncool&quot;) or because you realize one vote doesnt make a difference.  No electoral fix is going to change the fact that we are each just 1 in 30,000,000.  

We need to quit blaming politicians and &quot;the system&quot; for low voter turnout.  Its called &quot;VOTER turnout&quot; for a reason.  PR and &quot;forced voting&quot; arent going to change the fact  that some folks just dont care and others are going look at the numbers and recognize their own insignificance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proportional representation will have to happen over the dead bodies of myself and millions of other Canadians who arent willing to hand the power to make &#8220;lists&#8221; of people who are guaranteed a seat to party hacks.  Maybe some sort of compromise like what was proposed in Ontario during the last election could but straight PR removes local representation and accountability for list candidates.</p>
<p>Most of the blame for low turnout belongs with the voters themselves.  If you couldnt at least find one of the leaders (or a local candidate) to support then you are too stubbornly committed to your own point of view that you don&#8217;t realize you cant have everything you want in politics.  Even if your local candidate didnt stand a chance you could go out and register your dissent.</p>
<p>My experience has been that most people who dont vote either dont care about politics (possible because its &#8220;uncool&#8221;) or because you realize one vote doesnt make a difference.  No electoral fix is going to change the fact that we are each just 1 in 30,000,000.  </p>
<p>We need to quit blaming politicians and &#8220;the system&#8221; for low voter turnout.  Its called &#8220;VOTER turnout&#8221; for a reason.  PR and &#8220;forced voting&#8221; arent going to change the fact  that some folks just dont care and others are going look at the numbers and recognize their own insignificance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Gridin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Gridin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electoral reform, particularly in the form of proportional representation, would go a long way towards fixing this problem.

Why bother voting if our votes DON&#039;T MATTER? In ridings where there is a well-situated incumbent, there is very little incentive for people to go to the polls to vote for the other candidates.

Our democracy is broken. The low voter turnout is just one of many symptoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electoral reform, particularly in the form of proportional representation, would go a long way towards fixing this problem.</p>
<p>Why bother voting if our votes DON&#8217;T MATTER? In ridings where there is a well-situated incumbent, there is very little incentive for people to go to the polls to vote for the other candidates.</p>
<p>Our democracy is broken. The low voter turnout is just one of many symptoms.</p>
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		<title>By: watercooler &#187; Word around the web, politicalism hangover edition</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>watercooler &#187; Word around the web, politicalism hangover edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What does the 59% actually mean? Well, aside from the fact that it shows more people showed up to vote when they had to walk 900 miles in the snow with no boots or a broken buggie to do it, it means that less than a quarter of the population voted the Tories back in. Which makes one think that the whole voting-as-optional concept is total fooey – Law is Cool [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What does the 59% actually mean? Well, aside from the fact that it shows more people showed up to vote when they had to walk 900 miles in the snow with no boots or a broken buggie to do it, it means that less than a quarter of the population voted the Tories back in. Which makes one think that the whole voting-as-optional concept is total fooey – Law is Cool [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3540</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the Charter also protects freedom of &quot;conscience&quot; as well as &quot;thought&quot; and &quot;belief&quot; but those terms havent been sufficiently explored by the courts.

Therein lies the silliness of cordoning off &quot;freedom of religion&quot; rather than adhering to a principle of &quot;freedom generally&quot;.  Believe something because of science, pliterature, personal observation, personal preference, moral philosophy, gut feeling, whatever and you are left without a constitutional remedy and the government can force just about anything down your throat... Believe something because of unsubstantiated mystical claptrap and delusions about the nature of the universe and you get a free pass. 

Clearly we have no &quot;equality&quot; between atheists/agnostics/etc. and religious folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the Charter also protects freedom of &#8220;conscience&#8221; as well as &#8220;thought&#8221; and &#8220;belief&#8221; but those terms havent been sufficiently explored by the courts.</p>
<p>Therein lies the silliness of cordoning off &#8220;freedom of religion&#8221; rather than adhering to a principle of &#8220;freedom generally&#8221;.  Believe something because of science, pliterature, personal observation, personal preference, moral philosophy, gut feeling, whatever and you are left without a constitutional remedy and the government can force just about anything down your throat&#8230; Believe something because of unsubstantiated mystical claptrap and delusions about the nature of the universe and you get a free pass. </p>
<p>Clearly we have no &#8220;equality&#8221; between atheists/agnostics/etc. and religious folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ha-Redeye</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3539</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Ha-Redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, lets force all the people who genuinely disagree with all the parties and disengage from the process to vote..&lt;/blockquote&gt;



The vote for none option isn&#039;t good enough?

Anyhow, the second group is protected by the Charter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, lets force all the people who genuinely disagree with all the parties and disengage from the process to vote..</p></blockquote>
<p>The vote for none option isn&#8217;t good enough?</p>
<p>Anyhow, the second group is protected by the Charter.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3538</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Another option would be mandatory voting, as in Australia, Belgium, Luxembourg, Brazil and Greece, and 28 other countries

...

Jehovah’s Witness and other similar groups with religious restrictions on voting would be exempt of course.&quot;

Yes, lets force all the people who genuinely disagree with all the parties and disengage from the process to vote, but let those who are afraid the sky fairy will strike them down for doing so get out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another option would be mandatory voting, as in Australia, Belgium, Luxembourg, Brazil and Greece, and 28 other countries</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Jehovah’s Witness and other similar groups with religious restrictions on voting would be exempt of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, lets force all the people who genuinely disagree with all the parties and disengage from the process to vote, but let those who are afraid the sky fairy will strike them down for doing so get out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Ha-Redeye</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/10/15/lowest-voter-turnout-in-canadian-history/comment-page-1/#comment-3537</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Ha-Redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that in this election you could not vote online, but it is possible in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=0687c489-ab35-4ad9-82b4-c4c69dde1a7a&amp;p=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some &lt;/a&gt;Canadian provincial and municipal elections.


The &lt;a href=&quot;http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/notice/index.html?redirect=%2Fen%2FE-2.01%2F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Canada Elections Act&lt;/a&gt; states,


&lt;blockquote&gt;
PART 2 CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER AND STAFF

Electronic voting process

18.1 The Chief Electoral Officer may carry out studies on voting, including studies respecting alternative voting means, and may devise and test an electronic voting process for future use in a general election or a by-election. Such a process may not be used for an official vote without the prior approval of the committees of the Senate and of the House of Commons that normally consider electoral matters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=0687c489-ab35-4ad9-82b4-c4c69dde1a7a&amp;p=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Elections Canada &lt;/a&gt;plans on having voter registration within two years, and a by-election with online capabilities within five years.  The issue of voter apathy was intended to address all jurisdictions, but you&#039;re right in that I should have clarified in respect to the recent Federal election.  However, voter registration can still occur at the Federal level &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=ins&amp;dir=svr&amp;document=index&amp;lang=e&amp;textonly=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;by mail&lt;/a&gt;, so the comfort of the home, or the walk to the mailbox, still applies.  People with physical disabilities can vote at home by contacting the returning officer.

In addition, the following means can be used to vote:
	&lt;li&gt;advance polls&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;mobile polls for special circumstances&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;special ballot&lt;/li&gt;

A special ballot could have been submitted any time before Tuesday October 7, 2006 at 6:00 p.m. and does not require a Voter Identification Card, only an ID.  

In short, there&#039;s little excuse for not voting if someone is inclined to do so.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that in this election you could not vote online, but it is possible in <a href="http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=0687c489-ab35-4ad9-82b4-c4c69dde1a7a&#038;p=3" rel="nofollow">some </a>Canadian provincial and municipal elections.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/notice/index.html?redirect=%2Fen%2FE-2.01%2F" rel="nofollow">Canada Elections Act</a> states,</p>
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PART 2 CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER AND STAFF</p>
<p>Electronic voting process</p>
<p>18.1 The Chief Electoral Officer may carry out studies on voting, including studies respecting alternative voting means, and may devise and test an electronic voting process for future use in a general election or a by-election. Such a process may not be used for an official vote without the prior approval of the committees of the Senate and of the House of Commons that normally consider electoral matters.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=0687c489-ab35-4ad9-82b4-c4c69dde1a7a&#038;p=3" rel="nofollow">Elections Canada </a>plans on having voter registration within two years, and a by-election with online capabilities within five years.  The issue of voter apathy was intended to address all jurisdictions, but you&#8217;re right in that I should have clarified in respect to the recent Federal election.  However, voter registration can still occur at the Federal level <a href="http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=ins&#038;dir=svr&#038;document=index&#038;lang=e&#038;textonly=false" rel="nofollow">by mail</a>, so the comfort of the home, or the walk to the mailbox, still applies.  People with physical disabilities can vote at home by contacting the returning officer.</p>
<p>In addition, the following means can be used to vote:</p>
<li>advance polls</li>
<li>mobile polls for special circumstances</li>
<li>special ballot</li>
<p>A special ballot could have been submitted any time before Tuesday October 7, 2006 at 6:00 p.m. and does not require a Voter Identification Card, only an ID.  </p>
<p>In short, there&#8217;s little excuse for not voting if someone is inclined to do so.</p>
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