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	<title>Comments on: Case Study: CIC v. Maclean&#8217;s</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Steyn Argues Against Tolerance and Multiculturalism (Part I) &#124; VladGlebov.com</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Steyn Argues Against Tolerance and Multiculturalism (Part I) &#124; VladGlebov.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like Ernst Zundel (holocaust denier) of Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code, read more here, although I could be wrong. However, I think the danger in Mark Steyn&#8217;s ideology is that it begs the question, what if [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like Ernst Zundel (holocaust denier) of Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code, read more here, although I could be wrong. However, I think the danger in Mark Steyn&#8217;s ideology is that it begs the question, what if [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J-Source.ca</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-887</link>
		<dc:creator>J-Source.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] in Ontario human rights legislation for minority groups who feel targeted by hateful speech.Click here to read the full article Comment by LawIsCool Posted on: 2008-02-07 14:22:13Thanks for the linking.Comment [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] in Ontario human rights legislation for minority groups who feel targeted by hateful speech.Click here to read the full article Comment by LawIsCool Posted on: 2008-02-07 14:22:13Thanks for the linking.Comment [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: J-Source.ca</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>J-Source.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] in Ontario human rights legislation for minority groups who feel targeted by hateful speech.Click here to read the full article No comments posted.Comment [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] in Ontario human rights legislation for minority groups who feel targeted by hateful speech.Click here to read the full article No comments posted.Comment [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many people do not understand why a complaint was filed against Macleans Magazine. The following YouTube link provides an interview from Khurrum Awan *himself* on the Mike Duffy Live Show explaining the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeenAJx-Zjk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many people do not understand why a complaint was filed against Macleans Magazine. The following YouTube link provides an interview from Khurrum Awan *himself* on the Mike Duffy Live Show explaining the facts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeenAJx-Zjk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeenAJx-Zjk</a></p>
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		<title>By: sgi</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>sgi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be ridiculous. lawiscool has not been impartial from the getgo. If it had been, the admins would have been posting articles and law that supported the respondents. You&#039;ve been assisting the complainants all along. What is this anyway, some kind of class project?  Helping them build their case are you? No doubt all the &quot;animosity&quot; will become part of the case? Oh yes, people are upset and determined to have Section 13(1) stricken from the human rights legislation. The commissions have abused this section for far too long. So it&#039;s not your fault but this is finally the straw that broke the camel&#039;s back.

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LawIsCool:  Actually, you can&lt;a href=&quot;http://lawiscool.com/2007/10/08/combating-discriminatory-publications-in-ontario/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; go back and see&lt;/a&gt; that from the &quot;getgo&quot; we were very neutral in our approach.  Articles supporting the respondents are proliferative, but for the complainants there continues to be a scarcity of information (they &lt;em&gt;still &lt;/em&gt;don’t have a site).  

There is absolutely nothing to support those who claim that they should not be able to make such complaints because it is a perfectly legitimate legal avenue.  Whether it will succeed is an entirely different issue, and when we broached that subject it was in the context of intense animosity and aggression from those supporting the respondents.  

If this site was a class project, that would be some project - law students from different universities collaborating together - quite impressive if we do say so ourselves.  We have no idea what the complainants are doing with their case (and it&#039;s rather irrelevant to us); again, such questions are best directed to them.  Only one of our team members has direct involvement in the case.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2008/jan/08013104.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/images/2008a/KeithMartin.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Keith Martin&quot; alt=&quot;Keith Martin&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; height=&quot;81&quot; hspace=&quot;5&quot; vspace=&quot;5&quot; width=&quot;61&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;We&#039;re familiar with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2008/jan/08013104.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keith Martin&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s private member bill (the private nature of it is important, as Liberals are still split on the issue), and it only confirms our second point as outlined above,

&lt;blockquote&gt;the reaction and fallout by many opposing the complaints is likely more indicative of underlying problems that do need to be addressed, rather than any general objections to free speech.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If this does go through, it would confirm a troubling pattern that the complainants themselves &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080121.wcomment0122/BNStory/National/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have pointed out&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, this turn of events is all too familiar to the Muslim community. Faith-based arbitration was not a &quot;problem&quot; until the Muslim community decided to pursue a facility already available to the Christian and Jewish communities. Similarly, funding for religious schools was not a &quot;problem&quot; until Ontario&#039;s Conservative leader John Tory included Islamic schools in his funding proposal. And human rights commissions were not a &quot;problem&quot; until the Muslim community decided to pursue the right to respond to publications that subject identifiable communities to hatred or contempt.

The &quot;problem&quot; is not the human rights commissions or the human rights codes they uphold. The &quot;problem&quot; as some choose to see it — is that the Muslim community in Canada is actually using them for their intended purposes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Members of the complainants&#039; coallition have pointed out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irpp.org/newsroom/archive/2007/011107e.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inclusion&lt;/a&gt; issues for this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfs-fcee.ca/html/english/media/mediapage.php?release_id=801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;specific community&lt;/a&gt; that is invariably based on &lt;a href=&quot;http://noii-van.resist.ca/?p=195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;racism in Canada&lt;/a&gt;.  

Although we are not at this time part of this coallition, our direct exposure to this issue has revealed that such fears appear based on substantial grounds.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be ridiculous. lawiscool has not been impartial from the getgo. If it had been, the admins would have been posting articles and law that supported the respondents. You&#8217;ve been assisting the complainants all along. What is this anyway, some kind of class project?  Helping them build their case are you? No doubt all the &#8220;animosity&#8221; will become part of the case? Oh yes, people are upset and determined to have Section 13(1) stricken from the human rights legislation. The commissions have abused this section for far too long. So it&#8217;s not your fault but this is finally the straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back.</p>
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<p>LawIsCool:  Actually, you can<a href="http://lawiscool.com/2007/10/08/combating-discriminatory-publications-in-ontario/" rel="nofollow"> go back and see</a> that from the &#8220;getgo&#8221; we were very neutral in our approach.  Articles supporting the respondents are proliferative, but for the complainants there continues to be a scarcity of information (they <em>still </em>don’t have a site).  </p>
<p>There is absolutely nothing to support those who claim that they should not be able to make such complaints because it is a perfectly legitimate legal avenue.  Whether it will succeed is an entirely different issue, and when we broached that subject it was in the context of intense animosity and aggression from those supporting the respondents.  </p>
<p>If this site was a class project, that would be some project &#8211; law students from different universities collaborating together &#8211; quite impressive if we do say so ourselves.  We have no idea what the complainants are doing with their case (and it&#8217;s rather irrelevant to us); again, such questions are best directed to them.  Only one of our team members has direct involvement in the case.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2008/jan/08013104.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/images/2008a/KeithMartin.jpg" title="Keith Martin" alt="Keith Martin" align="right" height="81" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="61" /></a>We&#8217;re familiar with <a href="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2008/jan/08013104.html" rel="nofollow">Keith Martin</a>&#8216;s private member bill (the private nature of it is important, as Liberals are still split on the issue), and it only confirms our second point as outlined above,</p>
<blockquote><p>the reaction and fallout by many opposing the complaints is likely more indicative of underlying problems that do need to be addressed, rather than any general objections to free speech.</p></blockquote>
<p>If this does go through, it would confirm a troubling pattern that the complainants themselves <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080121.wcomment0122/BNStory/National/home" rel="nofollow">have pointed out</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, this turn of events is all too familiar to the Muslim community. Faith-based arbitration was not a &#8220;problem&#8221; until the Muslim community decided to pursue a facility already available to the Christian and Jewish communities. Similarly, funding for religious schools was not a &#8220;problem&#8221; until Ontario&#8217;s Conservative leader John Tory included Islamic schools in his funding proposal. And human rights commissions were not a &#8220;problem&#8221; until the Muslim community decided to pursue the right to respond to publications that subject identifiable communities to hatred or contempt.</p>
<p>The &#8220;problem&#8221; is not the human rights commissions or the human rights codes they uphold. The &#8220;problem&#8221; as some choose to see it — is that the Muslim community in Canada is actually using them for their intended purposes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Members of the complainants&#8217; coallition have pointed out <a href="http://www.irpp.org/newsroom/archive/2007/011107e.pdf" rel="nofollow">inclusion</a> issues for this <a href="http://www.cfs-fcee.ca/html/english/media/mediapage.php?release_id=801" rel="nofollow">specific community</a> that is invariably based on <a href="http://noii-van.resist.ca/?p=195" rel="nofollow">racism in Canada</a>.  </p>
<p>Although we are not at this time part of this coallition, our direct exposure to this issue has revealed that such fears appear based on substantial grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: DRT</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-797</link>
		<dc:creator>DRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly you have taken a side in the dispute.  All of the &quot;resources&quot; that have been advance the complainants side of the case.  One of those &quot;resources&quot; is an argument that there is no right to blaspheme.  If that is a belief that this blog or any of the complainants take that is incredibly frightening.



&lt;blockquote&gt;LawIsCool:  The only position we have taken is the one outlined above.

Appearances of taking a &quot;side&quot; result from responding to an overwhelming amoung of animosity directed against anyone even daring to support the right of the complainants to seek legal remedies.

To us,&lt;strong&gt; that&lt;/strong&gt; is incredibly frightening.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you have taken a side in the dispute.  All of the &#8220;resources&#8221; that have been advance the complainants side of the case.  One of those &#8220;resources&#8221; is an argument that there is no right to blaspheme.  If that is a belief that this blog or any of the complainants take that is incredibly frightening.</p>
<blockquote><p>LawIsCool:  The only position we have taken is the one outlined above.</p>
<p>Appearances of taking a &#8220;side&#8221; result from responding to an overwhelming amoung of animosity directed against anyone even daring to support the right of the complainants to seek legal remedies.</p>
<p>To us,<strong> that</strong> is incredibly frightening.  </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DRT</title>
		<link>http://lawiscool.com/2008/01/18/case-study-cic-v-macleans/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>DRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot for the life of me understand why you linked to the &quot;From Freedom of Speech to Blasphemy&quot; article.  If you want to give anymore &quot;proof&quot; to your detractors that your aim is to impose your religious rules on others I dont really know what it is.



&lt;blockquote&gt;LawIsCool:  It&#039;s not &lt;strong&gt;our&lt;/strong&gt; religious rules, or even our case.  We are not the complainants.  Please get that right.

Our aim is very clear, to provide legal commentary and discussion on a variety of issues, this being one of them. 

The link in question is just one resource, of many, that people send us on the issue.
 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot for the life of me understand why you linked to the &#8220;From Freedom of Speech to Blasphemy&#8221; article.  If you want to give anymore &#8220;proof&#8221; to your detractors that your aim is to impose your religious rules on others I dont really know what it is.</p>
<blockquote><p>LawIsCool:  It&#8217;s not <strong>our</strong> religious rules, or even our case.  We are not the complainants.  Please get that right.</p>
<p>Our aim is very clear, to provide legal commentary and discussion on a variety of issues, this being one of them. </p>
<p>The link in question is just one resource, of many, that people send us on the issue.
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